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about this fiscal cliff. right? so you laugh, right. >> i'm not laughing but if you take a dollar out of every -- that's a tax. >> i understand. i would rather self impose a tax than be forced to do something. therefore you're going to want to do it. for me, it's muscle memory. once you try it, you'll feel a tremendous patriotism and it will be -- >> did you hear that lieutenant colonel representative say we don't have a tax problem, we don't have a revenue problem, it's a spending problem? this doesn't address the problem in washington. that's the problem. >> again, once we band together, companies and citizens, we're listen, we need additional receipts, period. that's a known. it's going to happen for a period of time through -- >> you're a business guy. we're run out of time.j3 if you take in money but spend more, you're still taking in more money every year. you have to worry about the spending side, not revenue. >> the good faith program i started is going to force our elected officials to do something. we'll hit it at top. they hit it at the bottom. we'll meet in the middle and
was the epa. >> that was dick armey. kenneth vogel, talk about what is happening with the fiscal cliff right now in the major divisions within the republican party. you follow the conservative movement within the republican party. >> i think that is the story of the fiscal cliff stalemate, much as it was last year with the stalemate over increasing the debt ceiling. it is, in fact, these tea party members who are elected first in the conservative wave of 2010 when republicans took back the house, and subsequently, there were some additions to the sort of tea party caucuses in both the house and senate in 2012, but many fewer. in fact, many tea party members lost their re-election bid in 2012. it is hard to generalize, but you could look at a number of them and say that this sort of souring of public opinion on the tea party as a result of their perceived unwillingness to compromise in 2011 over the debt ceiling negotiations probably was held against them, probably heard not only them in their reelection bid, but also republicans more broadly and republican brand, because they are perceived t
is mono focused right now on the fiscal cliff. they have put off all cabinet announceme announcements, maybe for a ravay of reasons, but they have made sure nothing is brought up except the fiscal cliff right now. that's part of the reason they're prioritizing only that. that said on gun control, he's getting emotional about this. you can say whatever you want to criticize president obama. he is not a man who gets emotional easily in public. and i do think that this is something that has hit him deeply, probably out of guilt, because he didn't do much about it or anything about it in his first term. will he make it a political requirety, will he be able to pursue it aggressively given the obstacles in his way, we'll see. >> but the one thing -- >> when we covered -- when the white house would come up with a bill and say here, capitol hill, we would like you to pass this. >> the one thing has always been clear on the gun control debate is that time is not the friend of gun control advocates. unlike everybody else, the nra has a is ingu lar focus and a -- singular focus and long memory
environment in washington, the fiscal cliff and their predictions for 2013. we'll be right back. i feel fine ♪ [ male announcer ] navigating your future can be daunting without a financial plan. at pacific life, we can give you the tools to help you achieve financial independence. for more than 140 years, pacific life has assisted families and businesses in meeting their goals, even in uncertain economic times. let us help protect the things that you work so hard for. to find out how, visit pacificlife.com. ♪ >>> let's turn now to the house. we're joined by democratic representative chris van hollen of maryland and republican representative raul labrador of idaho. so you just heard it from your senate counterparts. they appear to be close to a deal, a mini deal. will it fly in the house? >> well, the house is a real problem because as we know, speaker boehner, the republican speaker in the house, was unable to get his members to support his own plan, which said that we should ask people earning more than $1 million a year to pay a little bit more, and so speaker boehner is going to have
for us to go over the fiscal cliff and then taxes will rise, right, but then congress will reconvene on january 3rd and vote to cut taxes. is that appliable solution in your mind? >> it kind of it, pretty much what i feel will happen. they have a little bit of wiggle room. the majority of this is not going to be felt until 2014 for the majority of the income tax rise so that causes congress to force them to make a deal knowing that we actually are operating under a higher tax rate right now, even though americans won't feel it, so it's almost like an additional leverage for those who actually want to make a deal and get something done. i just want somebody, like starbucks, we all need to come together. >> and quit kicking the can down the road, darn it. >> exactly. >> ryan thank you for being with us this morning. >> thank you. >> ryan has been with us all week tackling the fiscal effects on your pocketbook. tomorrow, what the fiscal cliff means for your retirement. >>> from the strange case of the technology pioneer john mcafee on the run to so many tragic shootings, we have the top
sides are looking at if fiscal cliff right now and saying, well, we could go over this thing. it wouldn't be the end of the world and that's a very different view in washington than it is on wall street. i can tell you that. >> eamon, thanks. i know you've got a long day ahead, a long afternoon as well. eamon javers in washington. >> isn't it unbelievable. you have this huge, looming problem, i'll wait until later this afternoon to deal with it. >> and the whole sequester was a way to deal with this later. and corker, i think, on some of the morning shows this morning, senator corker said the worst case today would be to set up another later deadline that would keep the hard questions -- >> and i think a lot of this is so abstract, but if those milk prices go up for people around this country, that's going to be the thing that gets people really animated. >> that and payroll taxes, if they go up, that will hit a lot of americans across the board. >> interesting to see a lot of the stocks today that have exposure to dairy futures, whether it's an hsy, who knows? i haven't even gone throu
're going over the cliff. it's hard to tell. the expectation, even if we go over the fiscal cliff. right now, congress is still looking at trying to resolve this here in the next few days. so it's not as if we go over the cliff and stay there. there would be time to resolve the issue. that being said, we saw a whirlwind of negotiating on capitol hill. and right now, after things sort of didn't work out between mitch mcconnle and harry reid, the top republican and top democrat in the senate, they have shifted between mitch mcconnell and vice president joe biden. that's where all of the action is right now. keeping the speaker of the house john boehner abreast of what's going on. keeping harry reid abreast of what's going on and keeping president obama abreast of what's going on. we heard from senator reid yesterday that they are very far apart. not just talking on the threshold, initially president obama said $250 mi,000. there is talk to bumping that to $400,000. republicans want to know how we pay for it. there are farm subsidies, the doc fix. and spending cuts. so there is a lot to be reso
now we are coming up 73.5 hours of going over the fiscal cliff the one that they are pushing us off and everyone s scrambling to scrap scrape toga solution. is the house doing anything at all. congressman aaron schact joins us. >> good evening, sir. >> republicans blame democrats and democrats blame republicans and the leadership as it goes beyond that you have political oh opponents it but you rise above it and have solutions for the american people. where is that leadership? >> it has been lacking without doubt and look, kudos to you for holding elected officials feet to the fire. my party and colleagues and myself included it is frustrating as a house member. i can't be a house member and senator and president all at once. the house has led. we have tried to be the party of ideas. the body of ideas. as you know this summer we passed a bill to keep tax rates low for everyone. it has been dead in the senate. harry reid won't take it up. after the election john boehner got criticism even from my party saying look, mr. president we will meet you halfway and give you the $800 billion
will be spent on what's at hand right now obviously with the fiscal cliff, and obviously what we do with 2013, i don't think that you're going to see a lot of regulation questioned, asked during 2013. >> okay. >> i think this one is one stock that will benefit. you'll see the analysts start to upgrade it. >> that being b of a. >> wait until the dow goes higher on your list for 2013. >> we don't do anything with respect to the theories of the dogs of the dow, but the generic sense of buying laggards for future outperformers is a broad one. higher growth names outperforming versus last year which was more defensive. what you do is look at the real laggards, hp and intel come to mind real quickly. >> right. >> they are down low for very good reasons. they are reason to be the desk top computing is definitely under siege with more mobile computing. the management issues with hp. all of those things need to be ironed out and as a result the stocks have underperformed. >> are you saying you would buy those here? >> we don't own them right now and not contemplating buying them right now. talk about str
'll be back on wednesday, in time to trade the fiscal cliff. all right. the deadline, of course, just hours away. if lawmakers wind up kicking the can down the road, they may want to come up with a way of saying so. that son the annual list of words to be ban issued. spoiler alert, trending and bucket list, not surprisingly the phrase that got the most nominations this year, fiscal cliff. so that brings us to this morning's squawk on the tweet. what other phrases should be banned and why. and remember, try and keep it clean. tweet us at squawk street. we've got your responses throughout the morning. fiscal cliff definitely has to go. >> i can't wait for hash tag to go away. >> we'll start hearing about the debt ceiling in two months. >> a ban on 2013's list. >> have a great new year. >> you as well. i have no special plans. i have a 3-month-old daughter -- >> that's very special. >> i'm prohibited from going anywhere. we have dinner reservations about 4:30 p.m., though. >> early birds. >> happy new year. >> same to you. >> presidents of americans for tax reforms, grover norquist ond how his
is that going to do to the fiscal cliff negotiations? >> right, there are a couple deadli deadlines actually coming up. january 2nd is the last day of the current congress. any bill that's been submitted, especially the bills that have been passed, the deal with the fiscal cliff, those bills would be worthless. they would go into paper and everything would have to start from scratch. the new congress would have to start a bill and start the process from the beginning. now there are some tricks that congress has to try to speed things up when it wants to. so to some degree, it's not that big of a deal. if there was a deal in the offing, january 3rd, enough votes for it, they could get around the hurdles. but i'm glad you brought up the deadlines because another one is tomorrow. unemployment benefits run out tomorrow for 1 million people. not true. the unemployment portion of the fiscal cliff actually hits us tomorrow. and that's when 1 million people are estimated to see unemployment benefits run out. and tomorrow is also the day that the house will return. i know we said that democrats shame
the press when it comes to the fiscal cliff handling, is that the right way to start the negotiation with two days left before the fiscal cliff or shouldn't he sit down and hammer out a deal with the senate republicans and house republicans. do you think a deal gets done? >> i do think a deal will get done. i think it might january 1st. i think we will briefly go over the fiscal cliff. the president worked on the issue months and months. the entire "crisis" is an issue of congress' own making . he was taping the meet the press on saturday. house republicans were cozy and doing nothing on the fiscal cliff. john bone bone took himself out of the negotiations and abdicated responsibility and said he would dole with whatever the senate and president had come to. i happening there is a lot of good proprosals on the table and something will get done, too. >> dave: it appears that senate republicans came a long way in sharing their desire for no taxes raised on the wealthy. $550,000 thres hold for couples is a significant compromise. but can they get anything through the house in terms of g
there's a little bit better tone away from the fiscal cliff. that's where it is right now. >> what about this concept. skeptical, the idea that we're underowned in the stock market and anything -- any resolution could mean stocks. >> a lot of cash on the sidelines that will be put to work if you get a little bit of a sign of a resolution here, bill. happy new year. >> nice tie, but i'm always saying that to you. we're going to the mid-point of the range, dow down 22 points. that's the first hour of the "closing bell." stand by now for hour number two. >> and welcome back, to the "closing bell." i'm mandy drury sitting in for maria bartiromo. it is the end of another trading day, and, no, we do not have a fix for the fiscal cliff. guess what, the numbers also reflect that. let's take a look at how a day on wall street, looks like the dow is down marginally, 24 points to the downside and the nasdaq off by the biggest percentage loss, down by 22 points and the s&p 500 is down by about seven points, and as i said it is crunch time. there are only three trading days left now for 2012 and stil
'll get some resolution to the fiscal cliff, whether it's right now or whether it's soon after the new year, i think we will see some kind of resolution. that will be good for markets, good for business, good for investors. so i'm going into 2013 wanting to be long some really good high quality companies that i know can accrue returns for investors over time. and i don't want to think with the next few months. >> tom: let's focus on the next year ahead. what about volatility, do you think you'll need an iron stomach to be a stock investor? >> i think investing in stocks, in equities comes volatility. we're not buying bonds here, we're not sticking the cash in our mattress in our beds. so i think with investing if you're going to be an investor you have to be able to handle the ups and downs that come with investing in stocks. now, here's what i think most investors should do out there, which is diversify. i really want you thinking about owning dozens of stocks to help mitigate some of that volatility you will see as investing in stocks. >> tom: you've brought two along for the next ye
one for me greta and then i will stop talking. the fiscal cliff happening right now. what kind of government should we have and what sort of taxes and spending and who should pay what and end the year with a story about everything that touching scenion do with government that we have been arguing about since the start of the election. >> greta: let's have some fun stuff. linn sanity. >> i particularly enjoyed linn sanity. a wonderful story because he was a guy who came from out of no where who had been cut, released, overlooked by other people but also just didn't fit the type of an nba star are that we see in the modern era. an asian american. a short guy who basically took hold of the team in the biggest media market in the country and led the new york nixon this terrific winning streak. petered out a little bit. still needs to work on turnovers. having mixed success in houston. that was sentimentally that was my favorite story of the year. >> greta: for 2013, pay attention to africa. you mentioned the arab but i think africa is and what is going on there will be huge in 2013
're on the edge of the fiscal cliff right now but that doesn't mean we're just going to sign off on anything. republicans are kind of holding their ground at this point and i believe that means there is a deal this weekend, if something happens in the white house today, it will require democrats to either change their stance on taxes and also include a promise of cuts and entitlement reform. otherwise, we really are looking at january 1 and the fiscal cliff happening. in which case a resolution won't happen until the new congress comes into session on january 3rd. gregg: that's right. we've been following not only the events on the floor but people stepping before microphones. here is representative jim moran. >> there are going to be voting sunday night and then probably watching the skins-cowboys fame in the cloakroom. then we'll, then we'll be in session on december 31st as well. gregg: what does he mean, we're going to vote sunday night? >> here's what might happen. both parties meet with the president today at the white house. they all say look, here we are on the precipice here. let's
the fiscal cliff which will have sadly almost no impact on the long- term debt trajectory, but right now, neither markets nor the congress care about that. >> reporter: congress has never been terrific at long-range planning, but now the definition of long range seems to be 48 hours. >> you don't hear people talking, well a year from now, we really need to be here. you hear, well we need to do that this week. we need to do that day after tomorrow. this short-time frame horizon is new and i think people who think we are going to have tax reform and entitlement reform next year are way, way off base. >> cutting short his vacation but it's unclear whether he has the power to force a last minute solution through a deeply divided congress. >> darren gersh. >> so, joe, how bad could that be? >> i had, susie. unfortunately, the economy has been gaining momentum, if you look at the labor market as well as housing making progress. but if we would see a fall from the fiscal cliff, it's not in our own estimates that those in the congressional budget office would be enough to impart a recession in t
certainty on the fiscal cliff, if we don't have resolution to that, i think you're right. in that c.e.o.'s probably will remain fairly conservative in their out look and that probably won't be good for the market. but if we do get resolution, i think c.e.o.'sy nature tend to be optimistic people, and if there's some resolution and they know what the rules of engagement are, they're going to go out and probably be a little bit more optimistic. >> so you have been saying that you changed your investment strategy a little bit nor your clients and you're looking for stocks that grow better than the gdp. do you have a couple you want to tell us about? let's look at the stock markets, bv and t, and the itg, what is it about these stocks that you think are good in this uncertain time? well, i think both companies are set up to deliver better than acknowledge results, better than g.d.p. growth for the new year. ipg is an advertising agency. they lost a little bit of business in 2012. we think that they're going to gain new business in 2013. their leverage and ratios are way down and the man
, right? how would the fiscal cliff, if we went over, affect gold, do you think? >> i think in the long run, gold will do worse if people start to think that interest rates rise. if dwrur going to park your safe money somewhere else, gold is a negative cash flow asset. >> and why wouldn't gold go up if we were going over the cliff? >> it would. in other words, if we do go over the cliff, you would expect gold to do better. >> and the stock market is. and the stock market hasn't done that badly at all. we're at 15% total return on the year. so if you just listen to the news, you would think we might be down but really, we had a very good year. are you going to be able to introduce this guy, andrew? he has more vowels in his last name than consonants. >> let's go to the futures pits where bob iaccino is standing together. >> would you say chee-no, bob? >> would you like it in english or italian? >> iaccino. with that singing. >> wa part of italy, do you know? >> cosanza is the town. it's the foot of the boot. >> not a bad part of italy. >> no, there's really not. >> bob, help us here. >>
-minute deal to avoid the so-called fiscal cliff, right? the president and the vice president, they're going to meet with house speaker john boehner, minority leader nancy pelosi, senate majority harry reid and minority leader mitch mcconnell. that is happening this afternoon. jessica yellin is there. jess, what do we know about the president's plan to get everybody in the same room? do we think there's going to be something that comes out of this? >> reporter: well, this is one of those cases where we really are going to have to wait and see, and all the parties involved are also going in with a big question mark. the idea is the expectation by many of the participants in the meeting is that they hope that they will be able to discuss more details about a scaled-down fiscal cliff plan. and maybe that could lead to some sort of agreement ideally for all parties in which all the senators say that they will not filibuster it, and it can go to a vote. and then speaker boehner could, in theory, agree to bring it to a vote on the house floor after the house comes back on sunday. and then we would
tonight. so we are going over the fiscal cliff, isn't that right? >> reporter: technically, that's absolutely right, you're right. because to not go over the cliff, both houses of congress will have to pass something to avert that, and the president will have to sign it. so that is true. and that is why, as i said, politically, there aren't a lot of -- there are some people who aren't that upset about it, because it kind of makes the medicine go down a little bit easier when they vote on these cuts. having said that, we've heard from democrats in particular, for weeks now, that, you know, to sort of take a deep breath, that yes, it is called the fiscal cliff, but it is more of a slope, and particularly advantageous to members of congress who haven't got be their work done that january 1st is a federal holiday. so nothing is going to happen and there aren't going to be any real-world effects, especially when we're talking about the thing that really matters the most to a lot of people around here, just how the market is reacting. we saw the market go up today at news, seemingly at
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somebody's having a laugh out there about this fiscal cliff business. >>> all right. they're going to do it again. anderson cooper and comedienne kathy griffin, teaming up to usher in the new year from times square. let's say thing got weird last night on "the situation room" when the two were promoting their new year's eve special. look at this. >> somebody tells me, and i'm not sure this is true, somebody tells me that you're obsessed with wolf blitzer. and yet every year it's me talking to you guys because i'm doing blitzer's show. i'm wondering, is that -- do you take it personally, do you think there's something to this? >> i have -- >> i think wolf is wise to stay away from kathy griffin because i once -- i don't know if you know this story, cathy -- candy. i lent -- kathy griffin one asked to come to my house in long island. and like a nice guy, i sent her a key because she wanted to go there a day in advance. and that night -- >> to clean up the place. >> no, first of all -- she arrived, she was terribly disappointed. i think she thought it would be like a house in downtown abbey
gordon and stan colander. thank you for coming back. as we stand on the edge of the fiscal cliff right now, any chance that we do not go over? guest: that is pretty small. we are relying on the senate to avoid this -- to avoid a filibuster. then we are relying on the house who for the last several weeks could not take the lead. it is important to state that while the official deadline is december 31. they can continue to work until the new congress on january 3. we have more like three days for them to get something together. host: are we going over the cliff? what does it mean if we do? guest: in some sense, we're going over the cliff even if they reach a deal. when you look at the deal they have been talking about, there will still be a lot left for future decision making. even if they are able to extend tax cuts for the middle class and do not do much of anything else, you still have the haphazard dealmaking not touching any of the issues the parties said they were concerned about leading into the fiscal cliff. the payroll tax cut is going to expire. no one is talking about extendin
it's in their political interest to go over the fiscal cliff. is that right? >> yeah, you never want to rule a deal off the table because we have lived through so many rounds that have ended in deals in the last couple years, but in this case, i think democrats think they get a better deal on policy by going over the cliff. that they end up getting more in taxes with less in spending cuts than they would get if they had to cut a deal right now. and republicans have persuaded themselves not completely convincingly in my view, but they have persuaded themselves it's much better to accept slightly higher taxes that they themselves don't have to vote for directly, even though they'll still be casting a vote for new tax rates, they'll be able to say, well, taxes have already gone up and we're just voting to cut them. so that's sort of how, at least, i think both sides are persuading themselves to sort of tip-toe off the cliff. >> and charles, i know you think republicans have more to lose here, but does either side get a boost from this? >> i don't think you get a boost, but i think the r
like this? "the kudlow report" starts right now. let's get the latest on the snag on the fiscal cliff talks and surprise news we are going to reach the debt ceiling in days instead of just a few months. john harwood has the details. what's going on? >> not a whole lot of actions going on. although there have been some developments. let me bring our viewers up to date on those. first of all, treasury secretary geithner this afternoon announced the united states would hit the statutory debt limit on monday. that's new year's eve. that's part of an effort to pressure congress to act to raise the debt limit which may or may not be direct limb reply indicated in the fiscal cliff talks but it is relevant to the larger issue of debt and deficits. the treasury can move money around in certain ways to extend the point where we actually reach a crisis for probably a couple of months. but this is an early warning sign. secondly, republicans in the house sent word to democrats in the senate, white house, it is your turn now. we acted to put off the fiscal cliff several months ago with a bill that
we can do this, avert the fiscal cliff that is right in front of us today. >> this is not something we are going to wait until the last day of december to get it done. adam. adam: proof words are cheap. it's the end of diecious, and absolutely nothing was done. why does it come down to the wire? republican senator of north dakota joining us now from capitol hill. sir, we appreciate you being with us, you were on fox business the other day, and are we going to have a deal or as some people are saying, do both sides want us over the cliff because it's easier to restore spending cuts? >> i'm in the camp to just keep pushing. that's where i'm coming from. as you said, the president and the leadership and the congress will have a meeting today at three o'clock, and so by four, they'll come out, and we'll have a better idea as to whether or not they'll come up with something, but regardless, for myself, and, i think, a lot of the senators and members of congress, we're just going to keep pushing because we got to come together and get people to agree on some kind of package. >> are you he
. and we will be following the fiscal cliff talks tomorrow. and clayton, you'll be hear, right? >> clayton: i will. so send us any of your questions as well and your thoughts. our -- go to our web site for the after the show show. >> gretchen: happy new year, everybody. gregg: fox news alert. powerful winter storm bringing deadly weather. >> oh, wow. that is a tornado. jesus, look at that tornado. it is like two tornados. it is two funnels on the frowned. oh, lord. look at there. wow! look at that. gregg: the storm system that produced those tornados in parts of the south not done yet. now posing a potentially major roadblock for countless holiday travelers. hello, i'm gregg jarrett in for bill hemmer. >> i'm patti ann browne in for martha maccallum patti ann: local crews said there is only one thing that could have accused the damage. >> one thing they saw damage indicative of tornado damage. we had homes 90% destroyed. that doesn't happen with straight line winds. >> you have a lot of damage. people hurt and i went out with the skid steer. we rounded up equipment. we started opening the
around -- oh, they're coming back. that's right. they're part of the fiscal cliff power panel. >>> let's turn to the market sell-off. the dow going down 158 pointis and want you to see the after-market numbers and the futures, something called the futures continue to trade and they suggest that if the dow jones industrial average were to open right now it would be down 315 points. the nasdaq would be down a whopping 51 and the s&p 500 down 39. here now is larry glazer from the mayflower advisers and director at tjm institutional services. guys, when we open on monday, is it going to look that bad? jim? >> it depends on what happens. this is the way uncertainty works, but, you know, i thought for a month that one of two things was possible, one that we go over the cliff and the republicans have ground cover to be lowering taxes and not raising them or these are guys who crave the stage. how are they not going to take it down to the 11th hour? they'll never be able to stand in front of their constituents and say they fought the good fight and by my logic it's still december 28th. this is
that they are getting something done, the fiscal cliff meeting at the white house right now. what were the mechanics of rushing the deal through congress and getting it passed into law? what would that look like in four days? lisa desjardins joins us now. what will it look like? >> well, there is a couple of possibilities, don. one is that they take sort of the remnants of one of the bills that passed the house or the senate and they just change it. they add whatever is in this deal to it. they have a whole bunch of vehicles that are possible for that. one sticking point, because this deal would most likely deal with taxes, there is a rule in the constitution that is has been interpreted by most every side to determine it has to begin in the house, revenue measures begin in the house. they need a bill that starts in the house, okay, they have a lot to do that. then the trick is making sure they have the votes. i think if we see anything come out of tonight's meeting, anything substantial, that's what is going to happen this next day and a half. leaders on both sides have to make sure they have got t
will go taxor everyone on january 1. >> glor: nancy cordes in hawaii. nancy, thank you. the fiscal cliff could mean severe cutbacks and layoffs in cliff couelds, like many medical research. that's forcing leaders to make mugh choices right now. here's wyatt andrews. he andreporter: professor kerri mowen, like hundreds of medical kerearchers, has already fallen off the fiscal cliff. her budget-- which relies on of federal grants-- is being cut by - % now as the n.i.h.-- the national institutes of health-- prepares for the possibility of utes of hes later. >> it's much bigger than just my lab. it's affecting all academic labs across this country. >> reporter: mowen, who studies rheumatoid arthritis at the scripps research institute in california, understands the n.i.h. decision but calls it a t aback. >> my lab will have to shut down t dearch projects that we know could have profound impacts on curing human disease. we may have to get rid of some staff members. >> reporter: the n.i.h. tells us >> secause of uncertainty in the budget awards at 90% of what was promised to researchers will be
're waiting to see what happens with the fiscal cliff. >> hope is fact if congress can get it done before january 1st. even congressional leaders are skeptical. >> the american people have a right to be very upset with this congress. >> president obama has invited nancy pelosi, john boehner, mitch mcconnell, and harry reid to the white house this afternoon for a fiscal cliff summit. >> here we are five days from the new year, and we might finally start talking. >> today's white house meeting might be the last chance to come to an agreement. that's because it takes time for a bill to work its way through both chamber of commerce. >> i don't know time wise how it can happen now. >> under senate rules, the only way a bill could make its way through the procedural hurdles in time is if every senator agrees not to. they'll have 24 hours. outside the beltway, carlino will be watching. >> everyone is kind of in a wait-and-see and fingers-crossed per expect tichb right now. >> since 1930 this is only the fifth time congress has worked after christmas. and today's summit is the first time presiden
's all because of the worries about the fiscal cliff. suzanne. >> all right. let's just listen in, and i'll bring you back for a bit. ♪ >> all right. there you go. allison, i want to bring you back for a couple quick questions here. we know the stocks are down, fiscal cliff. talk about what we think that means for us if we end up going over the fiscal cliff and you're looking at a lot of tax hikes as well as spending cuts. >> yeah. you have to believe if we go over the cliff that some sort of deal will happen up. if not within the first couple days of year, maybe the first couple weeks. what may happen is an impact right away to your paychecks in the early weeks of the new year. here is an idea of what we're in for anyway. we're going to see a lot of tax changes. payroll tax holiday. that would expire, and that means that the amount taken out of your paycheck would go from 4.2% to 6.2%, so that means if you're making $50,000 a year, it means $83 a month comes out of your paycheck. over the cliff it means you have a delay in tax refunds for the 2012 returns and that's because there's ye
whitfield. here are the top stories we are following right now. >>> that fiscal cliff. we are at the very edge. senate leaders are working through the weekend trying to reach a deal before the deadline. today president obama called on lawmakers to meet their deadlines and responsibilities and forge a compromise to avoid tax hike and spending cuts from taking effect. lisa desjardins is live on capitol hill. what's going on right now? >> reporter: right now it's all behind closed doors, martin. what we just have learned in the last hour, in fact, what reporters have seen here, a surprise. house speaker john boehner was here at the capitol. we're still trying to sort out exactly why he was here, but he wasn't here for very long, it seems. he left in the last hour. also, we were able to see some of senator mcconnell's staffers. i was able to speak to one of them coming in and out of these kind of closed-door planning meetings. he said they've been here since 9:00 a.m. they plan to work all day and we may see his boss, senator mcconnell, later today. that shows us kind of where things stand. i
hit the debt ceiling the day after we follow off the fiscal cliff if no deal is reached. >> that's right. december 31st. a lot going on there. a lot of these budget calamities coming together all at once. economists already warning the fiscal cliff situation could cause another recession. now we're about to hit the nation's debt ceiling. secretary geithner in a letter to congress did go ton say, quote, he would take extraordinary measures and say these extraordinary measures can create approximately $200 billion in head room under the debt limit. under normal circumstances the amount of head room would last approximately two months. however, given the significant uncertainty that now exists with regard to unresolved tax and spending policies for 2013, it's not possible to predict the measure. because of the uncertainty of the fiscal cliff they don't know whether they have enough head room to make sure the nation's debt ceiling doesn't reach limit within two months. the bottom line is even if we deal with the fiscal cliff in the next few days and avert that. there is another crisi
a way we avert the fiscal cliff at this point with how slow the senate operates, no plan right now, house is nowhere, and it's almost january. >> highway to the danger zone, jake sherman, politico, thank you so much for joining us, we appreciate it. >>> developing news on president george h.w. bush's health. this is "andrea mitchell reports" only on msnbc. we've all had those moments. when you lost the thing you can't believe you lost. when what you just bought, just broke. or when you have a little trouble a long way from home... as an american express cardmember you can expect some help. but what you might not expect, is you can get all this with a prepaid card. spends like cash. feels like membership. >>> and developing news on a story we've been following here for days args spokesman for former president george h.w. bush is telling nbc news doctors have seen a, quote, slight improvement in his condition. this morning, joining me from houston on the latest on the 41st president's health. little bit of good news, charles. >> reporter: certainly is, luke, i spoke with a spokesman
press that folks are starting to accept that weekend in fact plunge right off that fiscal cliff. after all we are a little more than a week away from the deadline when the spending cuts and push us back into another recession. lawmakers do plan to return to washington later this week to try to hammer out a last-minute deal. for now president obama and the first family are celebrating christmas in hawaii and that's where our ed henry is traveling with the president now live in honolulu. ed? bottom line the president is here in hawaii but might not be here for long. shortly after christmas likely to go back to washington. try and broker some sort of a deal. you remember before he left for hawaii, he announced that he wanted more of a short-term deal. sort of scaled back stop gap measure so that that big grand 4 trillion-dollar. instead he wanted to extend tax cuts for the middle class. he wanted to extend benefits for 2 million people that will lose those benefits a week after christmas. republicans are saying they think the president actually wants to go off the fiscal cliff for politic
the the fiscal cliff. everyone's taxes as of right now set to go up january 1st. do we have the countdown clock up? we'll get that up later, but here is where congressional leaders and the president stand on the fiscal cliff, listen. >> but whatever we come up with is going to be imperfect, some people are going to like it, some people like it less, but that's where we are and i feel confident that we have an obligation to do the best we can. >> a good meeting down to the white house. we are engaged in discussions, the majority leader and myself, and the white house in the hopes that we can come forward as early as sunday and have a recommendation that i can make to my conference and the majority leader can make hess to his conference and we'll be working hard to see if we can get there in the next 24 hours and so i'm hopeful and optimistic. >> i'm modestly optimistic that an agreement can be achieved. nobody can get 100% of what they want. let's make sure that middle class families and the american economy and in fact the world economy aren't adversely impacted because people can't do their jo
the fiscal cliff, right? come back to work and let a majority in the house, republicans and democrats, work their will. let democracy work to protect the middle class. it is essential we pass the extension of unemployment insurance. that is why the president has been very clear on that since day one that it should be a part of any plan. these are people who are out of work through no fault of their own. they are looking for jobs in what is still a tough economy and providing unemployment benefits provide more security for those americans and their families, but it is good for everyone else also. those people have a little bit more money in their pockets to spend on goods and services to support their family which is good for everyone else. when they are spending money, businesses can sell more goods and services and we have some small business representatives here who know very well that the more people have money in their pockets, the more customers they have with money, the more they can sell their goods and services, and the better off the country will be. let's get back to work. allow t
's handling the fiscal cliff. republicans in congress are in the mid-20s. >> that's right, there's no question about that, tremont. obama has done a much better job of positioning himself to take advantage of the fiscal cliff. he has painted republicans is only caring about their millionaire and billionaire friends. taking hostage the people of america. you have steny hoyer saying that republicans want to take children hostage and threatened to shoot them. this is vilifying republicans and it has been incredibly effective. in the short term, absolutely, the president is set to take advantage of this. tax increases, massive tax reductions to the military. republicans really stand and the notion is appalling about who wins, but the republicans win because the economy is going to go out yet another fiscal cliff. george w. bush is not the president. obama is the president, he is not putting forth proposals to work with republicans. he will have to take ownership of this. they need to come up with a cohesive message about real economic growth and shrinking the size of government. they don't have a
back, too. i don't think the fiscal cliff problem hit social security or medicare right away. they kind of sealed that off from se questions ration. but you mentioned unemployment before. there are a variety of other government programs that will be drastically cut back on tuesday morning if we don't get some kind of a deal by monday night. >> you know, ryan, when you look at -- when clarence was talking,ives looking and i think i have it. bills that republicans and congress have blocked this year. a bill that would have increased the minimum wage, a buffet rule bill, the employment, nondis crimination act that would have prohibited hiring people on the basis of sexual orientation. a u.n. treaty to protect the rights of disabled people around the world and the paycheck famous act so that women don't get paid less than men for doing the same job. i mean, there's been a variety of bills that they have seen not go past. they have actually stopped in a variety of ways that would have helped the american people. >> yeah, and you can throw the violence against women act, reauthorization onto
the fiscal cliff and people's taxes going up or do nothing and let it happen. we didn't want to be in that position but speaker boehner pulled out of the deal a week and a half ago. it's not fair to blame the president. >> i have to ask you about this question. this is one of the big sticking points left. whose taxes go up, people making over $250,000 as the president wants or republicans suggested nobody or people making over a million dollars but you, senator schumer, had proposed raising taxes only on those making over a million dollars. i want to take a look at what you said the proposal going up $250,000 last year. you said in the eyes of many, it is hard to ask households making $250,000 or $300,000 a year in large parts of the country, that kind of income does not get you a big home or lots of vacations or anything else that is associated with wealth. it also would affect too many small businesses. weren't you right back then when you said wrong to raise taxes on those. >> we offered that our republican colleagues two years ago when the political landscape was differen
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